tv Special Report With Bret Baier FOX News September 24, 2012 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
>> kimberly: no. >> bob: everybody got theirs in? can i finish then? >> kimberly: yes. >> bob: the guy was loaded. >> dana: with money or alcohol? >> bob: believe me i know loaded when i see loaded. democrat is it for us "the five." see you tomorrow. >> bret: president obama under fire over foreign polic policy. is now in the big apple. but not for a big meeting with world leaders. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. president obama is in new york at this hour where he will address the united nations tomorrow. but instead of doing business with prime minister of israel or face to face meeting with other movers and shakers today, the leader of the free world met with other movers and shakers.
chief white house correspondent ed henry is travelling with the president. >> despite foreign policy crisis flaring up from libya to iran, president obama appears to be minimizing any risk of another pre-election mistake on the world stage. that have month's terror attack in benghazi. arriving here in new york for a light schedule for w less than 24 hours of diplomacy and immediately heading not to the united nations, but tv studio of abc "the view" to tabe a joint appearance with first lady michelle obama. that leads to heavy lifting to secretary of state hillary clinton. who has dozen of meetings planned here. >> we have no scheduled. >> mr. obama has zero. sharp departure from last year when he used the backdrop to have no less than 13 one-on-ones with world leader leaders.
>> the president has in the last few weeks had extensive consultation with foreign leaders including the leaders of egypt, israel, yemen, turkey, libya. those consultations will continue. >> they pounced on the comment about the terror attack on libya on the 9/11 anniversary. >> i was pretty certain that there will be bumps in the road. in a lot of places, one organizing principle has been islam. >> jay carney was saying that president was not making clear progress wouldn't come in a straight line. >> again, i would say what i said to dan, there is a certain desperate attempt grasp it.
word and phrases to find the political advantage. in this case, it's offensive. >> after declining a request from netanyahu to meet in week, president is taking heat for this answer on 60 minutes about the effort to stop iran nuclear program. >> you don't feel preure from benjamin netanyahu in the middle of the campaign to try to get you to change your policy and draw a line in the sand? >> you don't feel any pressure? >> when it comes to the national security decision, any pressure i feel is simply to do what is right for the american people. >> israeli officials told a different story. jay carney defended blocking out noise saying that the president's point is he wants
to block out the outside noise, focus on protecting israel security. >> bret: ed henry traveling with the president. thank you. the republican ticket is concentrating on the swing state politics today in ohio and colorado. foreign policy and the perceived misstep are a big part of romney's message. chief political correspondent carl cameron has that part of the story. >> after not campaigning for seven week, romney held rally in the swing state last night and today. >> american people cannot afford four more years of barack obama. that is why i'm going to become the next president of the united states. >> romney harrially criticized the president for downplaying a bump in the road the terrorist attack in libya that killed the u.s. ambassador and three other americans two weeks ago. >> these are not bumps in the road. these are human lives and developments we don't want to see. this is time for the president who will shape events in the middle east.
>> romney charged obama administration nighyevly jumping the gun that the insistence that the attack were unplanned. team romney planned for weeks to pick up tempo of the obama attack. the emphasis on alternate policies. >> whether on the auto industry or taxes, whether it's on social issues. what he is saying about my position is not true. >> obama camp launched a new blast today using the surreptitiously obtained of romney dissing those who don't pay income taxes. >> romney attacked 57% of americans who don't pay income tax, including veteran, elderly and disabled. >> asked about the negative misleading ads on "60 minutes" the president did not deny it. >> do we see sometimes us going overboard in your campaign, mistakes made or areas there are no doubt that somebody could dispute how we
present things? >> it happens in politics. >> he says i'm in favor of lowering taxes on wealthy people. no, i'm not i'm not going to reduce taxes on wealthy at all. i want to lower it on middle income people. he says i want to raise it on middle income people. that's inaccurate. >> romney latest attack ad charges the president to surrender to china unfair trading practices at cost of 2 million u.s. jobs. >> obama had years to stand up to china. we have can't afford fur more. >> i am not going to fool people to thinking he believes thing he is doesn't. he's trying to fool people to thinking things i don't. that ends in the debate. >> the debates start next month. election is six weeks from tomorrow. trailing in the polls the romney campaign recognizes it's crumple time. they need to step it up. to that end, tomorrow, a joint appearance with mitt romney and paul ryan in ohio.
quintessential battleground state that many say will decide the election. >> bret: okay, carl, also in new york. thank you. senior political analyst brit hume has thoughts on what may be a new nickname for president obama. one we heard before. teflon president. good evening. >> president obama latest "60 minutes" interview suggests why he often uses a teleprompter. without one, he says the darnedest thing. he claimed that mitch mcconnell wanted to make him a one-term president, "when i first came in to office." mcconnell did not say that until october of 2010, nearly two years in the obama term. mcconnell added "i don't want the president to fail. i want him to change." in another obama said george w. bush issued more regulations than he has in the same time frame. then attacked the bush administration for too much deregulation. there are also mr. obama's problem with antecedent.
obama said he could block out any noise. mr. obama spoke of the inevitability of bumps in the road. today we heard the hapless jay carney explained that the quotes did not mean what the words say. if that sounds familiar, it is. that's what they claim when he said if you have a business, you didn't build that. >> bret: 43 days left. is there time for romney to make something stick? >> perhaps. we had blow up in the middle east. trouble across the muslim world. horrendous crime and terrorist attack in libya. might be enough to shake the standing in a way. but it seems not to stick.
you don't expect them to go after obama. but might expect the public to respond to secret schism than the polls indicate in the battleground state particularly so far have. one begins to wonder if he isn't a teflon president. >> bret: all right, brit. thank you. so do you agree that the problems don't stick to president obama? let me know on twitter. still ahead. karl rove and joe trippi break down the electoral college map. up next, who pays for people who don't pay federal income tax? endless shrimp at red lobster. you can mix and match all day! [ male announcer ] red lobster's endless shrimp is back... but only foa limited time! try as much as you like, any way you like! like parmesan crusted simp just $14.99. i'm ryaisabell and i sea fd differently. till you finish your vegetables. [ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion. vegetable nutrition they need, fruit taste they love. could've had a v8...
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>> bret: wall street got off to a shaky start for the week. s&p 500 lost three. the nasdaq fell 19 today. sticking with the subject of money now, you heard a lot lately about how many people do not pay any of their money toward federal income taxes. chief national correspondent looks at what it means for you
and for the country. >> as the argument rages on, over the impact of governor romney remark, 47% of americans not paying federal income taxes, little attention has been given to the impact on debt and deficits of 58 million americans collecting more benefits than they pay in taxes. >> disconnect people from the cost of government and suddenly have a much bigger appetite for government spending. as more and more americans don't pay taxes. than there is less resistance to programs that take money from everybody else. >> close to half the population plays no federal income taxes and some are retired elderly, collecting social security and medicare so the study excluded them. even without them, though, the number of non-taxpayers rizzen from 21% in 1990 to 42% today. and government spending has grown a pace. >> the doubling of the non-payer rate is associated with more than $200 billion.
$213 billion in entitlement spending today. big chunk of change. big part of the federal budget. $13 billion a year. they found it increased the debt on gdp ratio by 14 points, which slows down the economy. those who pay no federal income taxes pay many other taxes of course. former president clinton noted he and president of both parties steadily expanded tax breaks for the working poor. >> put in a child tax credit, when president bush passed the tax cuts that is what he did for middle class people. he doubled the tax credit to $1,000? >> whatever the reason, though, analyst say the dynamic is clear. >> the scientific link between the percentage of americans who aren't paying taxes and the explosion of the size of government. >> ryan and others by the way are adjusting the romney message saying many of the 47% not paying taxes are there not because they want to be.
but because obama policies left them no choice. bret? >> bret: jim, thank you. more than a dozen public high schools in new york are now making birth control, including the morning after pill available to students without parental consent. the city education department says parents will not be informed when girls as young as 14 request the contraception from school nurses. parents have been sent notification of the practice and have been given the opportunity to opt out. meaning their child would not be allowed to receive the pills. health department says that only about 1 to 2% of parents at school return to form. >> still ahead, did libya express reservations about security before the murder in the terrorist attack? first, where are we right now in the electoral college race? [ male announcer ] every day, thousands of people like you, are choosing advil®
>> bret: we are little more than six weeks from election and the election college picture is shaping up. get insight now from the former bush senior advisor karl rove and democratic strategist joe trippi. put up the latest map, you can see the info on the key, as we always do. red, romney. blue, obama. pinkish is lean romney. light blue is lean obama. the yellow states is tossup state in margin of error. this is based on polls from the last 30 days. karl, what has changed since the last time we talked? >> first, we had a record number of polls last week. 52. 18 states. we had a larger number of states polled but we never had 52 polls. four states change status and moved toward romney. georgia, somebody finally ran a poll and what happened is what joe and i have been thinking for months.
this went from lean romney to solid romney. new hampshire, the polls moved it from a lean obama to a tossup state. and interestingly enough, polls in new mexico and pennsylvania with a total of 25 electoral votes move states from obama to lean obama. these were offset by three changes that helped the obama. wisconsin moved from toss township lean obama. oregon moved from lean obama to obama. and arizona moved from romney to lean romney. this drops obama total of obama states to 196, plus he has 51 lean. romney has, grew slightly to 159 electoral votes in his column. plus 32 lean. it was a week of some change, not a lot. but generally compensating changes. >> bret: of those, the significance? >> the most significant is wisconsin moving to lean obama. it caution here, there is an outlier poll out there. a poll that shows obama leading in wisconsin by 14 points.
that is skewing this. wisconsin is starting to lean. that is shrinking, shrinking the electoral map. the other surprise for me still is that north carolina remains on our map as tossup this late in the game. 43 or so days out. >> bret: last week we heard karl talk about the polls and how he believes they're skewed toward a democratic turn-out? maybe toward an 2008 turn-out model. you have a different thought about how the polls, most of them are being run. >> i started to look at the data in iowa and florida and the recent polls. what i'm seeing is a drop of four points with independents, four points of people identifying themselves as democrats. i think what we are seeing is the independents who can say they belong to any party at any moment are starting to
shift their identification to democrats. >> bret: let me get it straight. all of the numbers are down. so that the independents are up. people that say the republicans are now saying they are independents, but the democrats are saying roughly the same. thereby it skews democrats. >> democrats and republicans are saying relatively the same, real democrats. democrats who say they are democrats and republicans who say they are republicans are still saying that. independents in the election, often spark to say i consider myself a democrat or i consider myself a republican. 2010, they consider themselves republicans. we got killed on the democratic side. that is not going to happen this time. that wave. but signs now that they are starting to identify with the democratic party. >> i am not buying what he is trying to sell. too many people weight models
on the state and national average to 2008 model. that you are have the exit polls. plus seven points for democrats in 2008. reflected in a similar matrix change inside individual states too. many of the polls are matching their models today. if you take a look at the polls and some of the states and you have 11 and 12-point democratic advantages. that is not what it's pointed to toward this year. look, we will see shortly. i do think that we have seen it in wisconsin. the public polling shows the state moving in obama direction. the president of the united states does not then go in to the state for the first time in 220 days and begin running millions of dollars of advertising because the state is comfortably put away. the internal polling shows them in difficult in a state, which is why the president is showing up.
>> bret: a lot of folks, able lists across the board say it's been a bad two weeks for romney. he has really had a tough go. if you look at the numbers, and he is still very much in this game. the electoral picture and the map. >> it's a close race. look at the national polls that show this essentially dead even. most days in gallup daily tracking and rasmussen tracking show it dead even, one candidate or the other up one or two points at the most. obama campaign knows this. we got a new narrative from them, look the national polls are locked dead even. we are doing better in the battleground states. that is a hard needle to thread. a close race. the candidates are as bad as they think they are, conventional wisdom thinks they are and rarely as good as the conventional wisdom thinks they are. we ought to just stay focused on the fact this is a close race to the end.
it may break at the end one way or another. but that break won't come until after the debates and people feel they need to make up the minds. >> bret: last thing, quickly joe, we have an ipad app. in which people can put up their maps against yours. and karl's. chad gering is the person who submitted it. tell us what this map looks like. >> green map, he has ohio going with obama. look at the swing states to romney. nevada, iowa, wisconsin. north carolina. virginia. florida. almost all of them. what that shows you is two things, the importance of ohio. that goes with obama or importance of why romney needs to hold it, if he can. and then look at every single one of the states. if romney loses ohio to obama, one of these states goes like iowa. nevada. and he is not at 270 and winning the presidency, it's obama. >> bret: karl? >> # 1 different ways -- there
are 11 different ways to win out ohio. he doesn't give colorado or new hampshire to romney, which i think are both insurance policies. you can say romney is in danger of losing this and obama is in danger of losing this. it comes down to the last ballot on the last evening of the election. this map gives insurance in the pocket. colorado, new hampshire both are going to end up in romney column. >> bret: thanks as always to karl and joe. and karl's point at the beginning there about the record polling, polling is only ramping up as we move closer to election day. since we taped this segment earlier in this day, nine new state polls were released. nine of them. all of them went toward president obama but money of them moved a state on the map to another color. karl and joe will be back next monday. no grapevine tonight to bring you more news, including the emotional controversy over the diary of a murdered diplomat. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.
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>> bret: emotions are still raw following the murder of the u.s. ambassador to libya and three other americans in benghazi. now the disclosure of the diplomat diary is raising all sorts of questions about security, protocol, and ethics. chief washington correspondent james rose season live at the state department tonight with that story. good evening, james. >> bret, good evening. at issue here is a hard-bound book that contained about seven pages of handwritten
notes made by the late ambassador chris stevens. cnn says correspondent damon found this book on the grounds of the consulate three days after the attack there. in his note, stephens reportedly expressed concern about the never-ending security threat and worried that he himself had been placed on the al-qaeda hit list. asked today if stevens gave back concerns, the f.b.i. is investigating. former u.n. ambassador told fox news megyn kelly today the content of the stevens' journal may expose, "a failing in the overall approach to the region." >> but i'm sure that if he believed that security was a problem, he would have informed the state department diplomatic security bureau. they would have made a threat assessment and should have taken the necessary steps. the fact that he and three other americans were killed by definition shows there was a massive failure of security. >> at first, cnn only cited an individual familiar with stevens' thinking. a few days later, anderson
cooper disclosed the existence of the journal. enter felepe reynes, aide to hillary clinton. he told cnn they lack humanity to fail to allow assurances to the stevens family to return the journal promptly and not report on personal details. cnn executives dispute that. now enter hastings for buzzfeed.com facing his best known for an article he wrote for "rolling stone" magazine a couple of years back that resulted in the firing of generally stanley mcchrystal. hastings e-mailed reynes sunday morning and, "why didn't the state department search the consulate and find ambassador stevens' diary first? what other potential valuable intelligence was left behind that could have been picked up be apparently anyone searching the ground? was any classified or top secret material also left?" reynes shot back no for the
classified material. but ask cnn if they took anything else they haven't told anybody about. he asked hastings why do you bother to ask questions you decided that you know the answer to. hastings fired back why don't you give answers that aren't b.s. for a change. i understand that reynes e-mailed back "i understand why the official investigation by the department of defense. you're a blank hole." he then said, "now that we got it out of our system, have a good day. and by good day, i mean blank off." and he did not respond to my request for comment. cnn returned the siebs journal to the state department nine days ago. bret? >> bret: okay, james. thank you. taliban released a video today purporting to show insurgents preparing for the brazen attack on a major nato base this month. september 14 attack on camp bastion in afghanistan killed two marines and destroyed six
fighter jets. the video shows the men wearing the u.s. army uniforms as they prepare for the attack. there you can see, map it out. here is what one senior republican had to say about that attack. >> afghanistan, we just saw the greatest single attack as far as money is concerned on our base in kandahar, where we lost $200 million of aircraft and we have canceled training. and operations with afghans because we don't trust them because of this killing by afghans of americans in uniform. by the way, these, this was a very, very professional attack they made on the base in kandahar. >> at least 30 people have condition illed in flash floods -- have been killed in flash flood and n india. this season's monsoon forced a million people to flee their homes. tens of thousand of villagers cut off in a mountainous
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noise out there. i feel an obligation not pressure, but obligation to make sure that we're in close consultation with israelis on the issue because it affects them deeply. they are one of the closest allies in the region. >> president obama on 60 minutes saying that israel is one of the closest allies in the region. today he is in new york, not to hold bilateral meeting bus to appear on "the view" to tabe a joint appearance with the first lady. last year he held 13 biliteral meetings with world leaders. this year he has zero ahead of a u.n. speech tomorrow. >> it a simple fact when you are president of the united states, your responsibility as commanderrer in chief never ends. you are constantly engaged in matter osforeign affairs and national security. that is what this president is doing. >> bret: what about this and how it plays in the election? bring in the panel. bill kristol, editor of weekly
standard. juan williams, with the hill. and syndicated columnist, krauthammer. charles? >> main reason he isn't going to meet with them the fact he is not meeting with netanyahu. it's obvious what is going on here. israel doesn't want to meet in washington or new york. if he met with the president of egypt it would have been he meets with the head of muslim brotherhood and not with the head of our closest ally or even a country of less importance. that is the driving element. he doesn't want to make errors that can happen when you are on the air doing a live photo op or answering questions at a time when all he is interested in, is the re-election. that means soft, you know, soft exposure on the air like "the view" or "letterman" and raising money. that is what he does. objective between now and
november nothing happens in the world if he can stop it. ignore the middle east. ignore the iranian problem. ignore the debt ceiling and the cliff. ignore everything that you can get over the finish line. then expect the world to respond to it. >> bret: juan? >> it seems to me that he is running for president of the united states. he is a politician. he is doing "the view." nothing wrong with doing "the view." he is president of the united states one way or another. i find the argument so curious. like we don't have telegrams or diplomats. like secretary of state clinton can't talk with netanyahu. like there is not a constant stream of communication. >> bret: sure. but you know the face to face meetings are an opportunity for the world leaders to schmooze. make personal contact and possibly do something they don't do on the telephone, look in each other's eyes and
get a sense of the other person. >> do you think that netanyahu and president obama have not done it? >> it's a signal of disrespect and lack of interest. that's why people want a meeting with the president of the united states. >> i'm delighted but i'm saying that netanyahu is not short on respect for the united states, white house or the american people. >> he's not? >> i don't think so. >> treated by the obama administration? >> i don't think he is treated badly at all. it seems this administration even in the interview yesterday reiterated that israel remains a close ally in the middle east. they are 100% -- >> one of our closest allies in the region. what are the other closest ally? >> i don't know what he means by it but wasn't trying to put a value judgment. if you want a value judgment tonight israel is the closest ally. >> bret: president said one of the closest ally. >> closest ally was the traditional language of the --
>> bret: i don't want to jump on -- >> until this year. no longer is. >> bret: since we're face the face i don't want to jump on the panel. >> this is why personal meetings are useful. back and forth, bickering, quarreling. >> bret: frank conversation. >> it's shocking. i remember serving in first president bush's administration in '92. he spent three or four days of the general esemiably and the election deal, but we were going down the meetings. he thought it was important. at the end of the gulf war and first gulf war and meeting with leaders. campaign people, me included at the time. can we get out of the meetings with the leaders and start campaigning? he thought he was president of the united states. president of the united states should do. and president obama is discipline and tough guy running for re-election and trying to help the re-election. what helps is a safe speech to the u.n. general assembly. then out of new york, to the campaign. >> bret: another thing that
raised eyebrows last night was histones a question about benghazi and the situation in libya. and the arab spring. republicans quickly pounced on it. >> let's see what i have done since i came in office. i said i'd end the war in iraq. i did. i said that we'd go after al-qaeda. they have been decimateed in fatah. that we would go after bin laden. he's gone. so i have executed on my foreign policy. it's one that the american people largely agree with. if governor romney is suggesting that we should start another war, he should say so. >> bret: bill? >> disgraceful statement by the president. if governor romney is suggesting we should start another war he should say so. this is in respect to iran in the question. the president's position on iran is that all options are on the table. that war is threatened. governor romney says i think we're letting iran get too close to nuclear weapons and obama says hey, he wants to get us in a war. trying to have it both ways. if you say your policy is
weak. what do you mean? all options are on the table. then he says if you criticize him you are getting us in a war. doesn't the president believe he needs the option to use military force? if someone else suggests that it those be on the you think criticizing him as a warmonger? damaging to the u.s. national security. >> bret: specifically on libya and the situation in the arab spring. the quote was bumps on the road. and romney jumped on it today. >> i was pretty certain and continue to be pretty certain that there will be bumps in the road, because in a lot of these places, one organizing principle has been islam. >> these are not bumps in the road. these human lives. these are developments we do not want to see. this is time for the president who will shape events in the middle east? not just be merciful or be at mercy of the events in the middle east. >> bret: charles? >> if romney had said the
death of our ambassador, the attack on the embassy, the death of three other americans, the hoisting of the black al-qaeda flag over four u.s. embassies and demonstrations all over the middle east, all the way to indonesia ,including burning effigy of obama if sri lanka of all places is a three-day headline, you'd hardly hear about it anywhere. >> bret: juan, last word. >> if you look at it in the largest context of what he was saying, she was not specifically asked about the killing of ambassador or the other americans. what he was asked about was eventevents in the middle east. his response is -- >> bret: recent events in the middle east. >> right. recent events in the middle east. again, it seems to me what we're doing, people looking for political advantage that you are picking the language apart. what he is talking about clearly to me is the war on terror. trying to create middle eastern peace. what has happened in terms of libya, syria. iraq.
afghanistan. yes, we are going to have trouble in the region. sometimes things will spiral out of control. we as americans are not going to abandon the region, not say it's not in our best interest to be involved there. there will be bumps on road. >> nice try, juan, but that is not what happened in the last week. >> i think that we are talking about a larger context, charles. you want to focus on one thing. >> what could be larger than murder of ambassador and three americans for the first time in 30 years? >> it was a terrible incident but that's not what he was asked about. he was asked about the recent events and recent events that extend beyond the framework. certainly -- >> bret: understand the context of the interview, libya is breaking and the stuff is happening as they are asking the questions and the context is this incident of libya and the arab spring fall-out. >> i think in the context of last week you had several protests across the middle east. not only in events in libya, but you had event in egypt,
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we see sometimes us going overboard in our campaign, or mistakes that are made, or areas where there is no doubt that somebody could dispute how we're presenting things? that happens in politics. >> aren't the american people entitled to the truth or a better version? >> truth of the matter is most of the time we're having a vigorous debate about the vision for the country. >> that is part of the "60 minutes" interview with the president that didn't see on
air. it was added online, talking about campaign ads. in the previous discussion, in the peace, steve croft notes in the interview at that time happened, "the president's day was dominated by foreign affairs, the attack on the libyan consulate that left them bass dore and three others dead occurred the night before" when that interview took place. back with the panel. bill, that part didn't see the air. >> it didn't. wonderful statement. i'm barack obama and not responsible for what my campaign is saying. if they go over the line i'm reasonable guy. he is a good politician. you watch that and you think he is a reasonable guy. huge campaign. president going on "the view" and he doesn't have time to personal review all the ads. will he be called on it? is the romney campaign going to make a serious evident to
take the worst, most misleading ads and wrap it around his neck? i live in northern virginia and watch nationals game. every third inis an ad saying romney will raise taxes on middle class families. it's effective, well done ad. i have yet to see response ad. i think my neighbors think their taxes will go up if romney is president. you can't defeat them -- >> bret: this is not even the response on the stump today. juan? >> i think that both sides have ads questioned widely. at what point is it politics? this is hardball. sometimes your feelings are hurt and sometimes things are said over the line not quite there in terms of being fact-checked secure. the president said sometimes the campaign has gone over the line in his opinion. but he thinks it's just nature of politics in 2012.
>> no, like bill, i have also been watching the nats games and i have been assaulted by the same ad which says romney will raise taxes on the middle class based on a string of assumptions none of which are true. >> bret: we have jim angele in the weeds this week on this issue. it's based on a policy paper put out assuming that the romney plan does closes the loopholes and does not find all the money it needs doing so, thereby, has to raise taxes on middle class to find all the money needed to make it revenue neutral. >> but it doesn't in any way have to do that. you can do it by decreasing the number of deductions and exemptions, by widening the base. the idea that you are going to end up with tax increase on middle class is conclusion based on assumptions about what romney is going to do,
which simply aren't true. the other half of that is obama saying romney will lower taxes on the rich. we saw earlier, romney trying to explain on the airplane he wants to lower the rates on the rich, but has made a pledge that the absolute amount, amount of revenue overall that the rich will pay or the share of the revenue that the rich will pay are the same. bill is right, romney says it offhandedly in an interview on an airplane. and he has 1,000 ads running against him he hasn't answered. who is going to know it's only a decrease in rates and not decrease in amount that the rich are paying? >> if you lower the rate, you pay less. the thing that stands out from the account 60 minutes" they kept asking what loophole or deduction? he would not say. >> he said you work with congress on specifics. work this out.
>> he said the angels in the poil, ignore the devil in details. it looked like you know what? a give-away. it won't tell you what i'll do. >> 1986 tax reform, lower the rates, did not decrease revenue. if you broaden the rate and lower rate, go up. >> bret: i promise this week we get in the weeds. there will be instruction. height pull out chalkboard. not sure. that's it for panel but stay tuned to see the questions undecided voters are asking. ♪
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>> bret: finally tonight, the number of undecided voters is dropping as we get closer to election day. who are they and what do they want to know. many shows want to find out. one found interesting undecided voters. >> they will determine the future of our country and this election will be determined by the undecided voter. >> before you get our vote, you are going to have to answer some questions. questions like: >> when is the election? how come you have to decide? >> what are the names of the